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Discussion: 2021 French Open - Sunday, June 13, 2021

Discussion: 2021 French Open - Sunday, June 13, 2021

Puzzleheaded_Ad9691

since the final reminded of wawrinka, i have a question for the sub, in a match between wawrinka and delpo at their complete best, who takes it


uma100

Rafa was a little down on himself the other day and said his chances of winning RG are diminishing every year, but he should listen to the end of Novak's press conference today in English. Novak, unprovoked, said Nadal was playing at a high level and could win more slams.


silverbird666

We may like to thrashtalk about this sub, but in al honesty, compared to some other big tennis forums (the tennis warehouse forum...), the community here is much more level-headed, mature and generally way more tolerable.


Mysonking

Yep. I hate Novak. I hope he will win no GS ever again


pupaglupa

This was such a huge slam result for the grand slam race. Rafa was "locked in" to win and get #21, which would've put him 3 ahead of Djokovic and hard to catch. Now it's 20 vs 19 and he looks likely to be caught next month


robinhoodubitch

I love the sport but holy shit are some of the fans cancerous, especially anything relating to the big 3. Acting like complete children and I hope they are because if these are adults, they’re absolutely pathetic.


chakokat

Oh come on! It’s sport! When are sports fans not rabid and irrational? Compared to football ( soccer ) fans, rugby fans, American football, basketball, etc. tennis fans are actually fairly tame imo.


[deleted]

I know if, if, if doesn’t exist and there are so many factors at play and all, but imagine if Wimbledon 2020 wasn’t cancelled and Djokovic hasn’t accidentally hit that lineswoman in the throat at USO 2020. He could have been at 21 already. Then again he might have not been as motivated to go after the Grand Slam record as much


[deleted]

At this point what would have to happen for Djokovic to lose his #1 spot? He’s so far ahead it seems impossible that anyone could overtake him this year


lostinmoss

He loses the #1 ranking should he lose before the final at Wimbledon and Medvedev wins the title. There are other scenarios as well, but they're more complicated


chakokat

Is Meddy going to stay #2 now? Is Rafa or Tsitsi going to knock him from #2?


lostinmoss

Medvedev stays at #2. Nadal lost points this tournament from not defending the win, and Tsitsipas gained enough to move to #4, but not past Nadal or Medvedev.


chakokat

Thanks.


[deleted]

So as long as he makes the Wimbledon final he’s guaranteed to keep #1? Things are looking good for him haha


hopez11

I hope Stef skips Halle. He needs the rest. Mental and physical.


Neo-physical123

He’ll need grass experience though. And Grass is the shortest season.


[deleted]

Tsitsipas is the best of the nextgen followed closely by Medvedev, right? This is the only time I felt that a nextgen was about to win a slam by defeating a GOAT. Even Medvedev-Nadal USO 19 didn’t make me feel like that.


lostinmoss

I'd still put Medvedev above him a tiny bit. Having a second GS final, the h2h advantage, two more masters, and the higher peak ranking makes me choose him. Tsitsipas seems to have the tiny bit higher peak in terms of skill currently, and may have more surface versatility. Pretty even, but the tangible achievements of Medvedev make me favor him.


[deleted]

True, Med does have Masters titles in his favor. I have a feeling Tsitsipas could overtake him though. He’s younger and seems to be more on the rise Edit: also Tsitsipas has grand slam wins over 2 of the Big 3 which is something Medvedev doesn’t have yet. I feel like that gives Tsitsipas the slight edge


WinterSunshine22

Tsitsipas 1. and 2. set: GREEK GOD! 3. and 4. set: ^(small kid) 5. set: I fight, but.. you know.. Novak.


Neo-physical123

So Djoko gains +800 by winning FO. He’ll have 12k points. So even if he doesn’t attend Wimbledon at all (so -2k points) he still has 10k lol.


SelectZookeepergame5

Anyone knows why Djoko usually skips grass season except for Wimbledon and still maintains a good shape?


JEEEEAAAAN

Because there isn’t really a grass court season. There’s literally Halle/queens and then wimby. Especially after a tough clay court season where he is normally deep into the second week of Roland Garros, it is smarter to rest, recover and simply practice on grass and then play Wimbledon. He still practices on grass and stays fit, just doesn’t play the tournies


jeffwingersballs

Usually we get three weeks before Wimbledon. Two 250s, two 500s, a warmup exhibition week and then Wimbledon, but RG was pushed back by a week so it's just the 500s immediately after RG. They didn't cancel the warmup exhibition did they?


YeYeOiOi

Because he is so far above the rest of the competition on the grass so it doesn’t matter


GStarAU

Here's a bit of controversy to finish the day with. I think we'll see someone go past Novak's Slam count (assuming he ends up with the most) ... in our lifetimes. Here's my reasoning: Roger and Rafa were absolutely ruling the world for 5-6 years from 04 to 09. Then Novak comes along, and all of a sudden there's 3 GOATs playing at once... with some interruptions by Sir Andy, Stanimal, DelPo and Cilic. How likely is it that we're going to see the 3 greatest players of all time, playing AGAIN in the same period? I'd say extremely unlikely. So... if you take away one of those 3... that's another 20+ Slams that are available to two highly dominant champion future players. It seems like once every 10-15 years two superstars come up and dominate the tennis world (I'm thinking Laver/Rosewall in the 60s, Borg/Connors in the 70s, McEnroe/Lendl in the 80s, Agassi/Sampras in the 90s, Fed/Nadal in the 00s, Fed/Nadal/Djoko in the 10s)... so, if this pattern repeats once Novak retires, within 10 years there'll be another pair of champions to take the sport to a higher level. With the ultra-high level of professionalism there days, I'd pick two guys in the 2030s to go past the Big 3. Maybe 28-30 Slams each, roughly. Come back in 10 years and give me a thumb's up 😉


Solstafirlol

!dontremindme reddit and shit takes ❤️


iNeil77

Unfortunately I see things going more the way of womens tennis. Full of flashes in the pan and no sustained greatness and thus lots of people with 1-5 GS.


GStarAU

Oh, after the Big 3 retire, for sure. Meddy, Zverev and Tsitsi will fight it out for a few years, Sinner and Felix and Rublev in hot pursuit. Not sure about Musetti yet, give him another 2 years. Oh, Alcaraz too. The women's game is so confusing right now. I'd never heard of Krejikova before she won this year, and I like to think that I follow the Tours pretty regularly!


Mpol03

I was hoping we would get some great women’s rivalries with the current young batch. I hope that remains the case


Pizzadontdie

I think men’s tennis has always had guys dominating for 5-10 year stretches. I really hope it doesn’t change too much. Wouldn’t be good for the sport.


lecasiodxb

I actually see that as a good thing. I personally prefer the women’s game because it feels like anyone can beat anyone and no outcome is set in stone. Whereas the men’s game for the past 10-15 years has been so predictable. Sure it’s great to have witnessed 3 of the best players to ever play the sport all at the same time, they become superstars and household names for those that aren’t even into tennis, but it’s also really boring and predictable knowing that the tournament will be won by one of three names almost every time.


GStarAU

Yeah, it's definitely time for a change. Still, we've got the next Big 3 waiting in the wings right now... Meddy, Tsitsi and Sascha. Just hopefully there'll be a bunch of others to challenge them. The Tour was really interesting around 2002-04 before Fed became God.


lecasiodxb

Yeah definitely. They’ll be the big names, but I don’t see them being as dominant as the current big 3.


[deleted]

Fun fact: Djokovic won 18 more points than Nadal in the semifinal and 17 more points than Tsitsipas in the final I think Nadal will likely win a couple more French Opens but Djokovic and Tsitsipas will be real threats


WinterSunshine22

Next Gen is never winning shit as long as the Big 3 keep playing. Sad, because Medved is actually my fave.


tom6195

100% agree dude, as long as Novak plays nobody else is winning (much to my dismay)


SelectZookeepergame5

Even if they win, their game quality is shitty :(


JEEEEAAAAN

That’s harsh. Stef, Meddy and even sascha produce amazing tennis


ChertanianArmy

lol the sub was amazed of quality between Med and Tsitsi QF.


Elemmla

Imagine being able to watch number one, the greatest of all time, in live and not showing him support and respect for everything he has done in tennis. Novak is literally writing the history of tennis, He did not deserve to be treated that way. I mean c'mon.......


tom6195

I’m afraid Nole is the villain, the heel if you will. That will never change


Elemmla

Neh... I think he is just too emotional and passionate when it comes to winning the match. That's why he may sometimes seem aggressive or rude. But i am sure that he isn't type of person who treats people around him badly...


Smartypants_dankie

Can only respect him so much when he's the way he is tbh


lostinmoss

The Paris crowd really acts terrible sometimes. Them singing La Marseillaise for Herbert and Mahut makes me feel a little more favorable to them though


SelectZookeepergame5

Same for UK fans. See what happened during Wimbledon 2019


Elemmla

I understand that everyone has their favorites, but I think they could have shown a little more respect for Novak... but on the other hand I think Novak played better because of it, to show them "Who's Daddy " lol


slim13shady

Is Tsitsipas the favorite in Halle? Or Federer? Could see RG hangover for the Greek, but Federer at this point could go down, who knows. The field doesn’t look as promising. What do you think?


lostinmoss

I'd honestly say Medvedev is. He's got more rest than most of the top seeds, and he had pretty good results on grass in 2019. Its a bit of a wild guess, but I still think he should be able to beat everyone, unless RBA makes it through.


slim13shady

Wow, I honestly didn’t think he was that strong of a grass player. Neither is Tsitsipas but he has a clean draw. Maybe he will retire, we’ll see.


lostinmoss

Historically, he hasn't been top tier, but the last time he played was before he became a slam threat. His game should work technically fine on it, and he looked good on clay which I didn't expect, so anything is possible with enough bullshit.


padraigharrington2

How did Halle get so many big names to enter the week after a slam?


lostinmoss

Everyone needs grass practice, its not too far from Paris, and I think the prize money is good. I wouldn't be surprised by a couple withdrawals though.


ChertanianArmy

London is not too far from Paris as well but I'm surprised to see so few top players in there


lostinmoss

Everyone's too afraid of Deliciano to challenge his title defense there. In all honesty though, I think a lot of the top seeds want a chance to challenge Federer on the grass.


padraigharrington2

London’s top 3 are berritini, shapo, and sinner Halle’s is Medvedev, Tsitsi, and Zverev lol


ChertanianArmy

I think Sinner won't do shit on grass due to the state of his serve.


producersrace

Tsitsipas was all choked up like Djokovic when he lost in 2015. Hope he comes back next year and takes it. He has proven he has what it takes.


lastofoblivion

Is there a Next Gen favorite for Wimby?


colby983

I think Med will be good on grass


[deleted]

Zverev and Berrettini?


lastofoblivion

Novak and Roger it is.


AlllTheaaa

Tsitsipas was so close to conquer the game! This is not the first time I've seen Djokovic win, and its always made me happy. But today for some reason seeing Tsitsipas succumb into that towel and shed those tears of defeat was painful. Tsitsipas too is a tough player and there's definitely more for him in the coming future. It was a brilliant end to my Sunday and these two legends didn't stop to amuse in literally every set.


filadae

It seems like Djokovic loves playing at a disadvantage. Unbelievable mental strength.


AlllTheaaa

So True! His mental toughness is brilliant. He doesn't let losing initial sets get into his head and that's another reason why his comebacks are strongest.


tom6195

Almost as if he throws the first two sets deliberately


filadae

Only to win them back again


tom6195

Yep lol the guy is a psycho


NikGrape

When Djokovic mentioned Greece, Stef looked like he was going to cry. That was really sad, but I hope he realizes these types of defeats mold grand slam winners - Djoko himself knows this all too well.


Extension-Whereas-46

At least Tsitsipas And Medvedev faced the GOATs in their first slam. I still doubt Thiem would've won if not for that absurd Djokovic disqualification.


Strict-Extension

True, but did Thiem did have Novak on the ropes in the 2020 Australian Open final.


GStarAU

Yeah, he wasn't great in the Final v Zverev. Novak would've rolled him.


rsparkles_bearimy_99

Hope Tsitsipas feel better soon. He have done an impressive job. He should be proud! Congratulations to Djokovic! Madness! This season have many special moments and great tennis. Well that's it for clay. See you soon again in grass!


TheBlueTango

Didn't know Roland Garros was leaving ITV after this year's tournament, do we know another broadcaster who's taking up the deal in the UK? Sad that they're ending with a studio that's inside a room because of the pandemic situation. I always enjoy Roland Garros the most out of all the Grand Slams, would be honestly gutted if I'm not going to be able to watch it again.


shyaminator96

Really hope stefanos can recover. He takes losses hard and I would love to see him bounce back at Wimbledon


slim13shady

Luckily he only has to win round 1 to improve from last year.


amy_sport

Djokovic: Not only the No. 1 player in men's tennis, he's the No. 1 linguist in men's tennis


gkmaster21

lol Stefanos is in ruins. Dude was all depressed after that Wawrinka match in RG, I can't imagine how he will get over this before 2022.


International-Tree19

He's gonna beat up his father again.


TheRealMendini

Bjorn speaking more now than he did throughout the 3 Laver Cups


nachtigalz

Borg is still hot.


modeONE1

Anyone know the name of the British lady speaking French on the podium?


Gerbimax

That's Louise Ekland.


vngbusa

Heheh we were thinking the same thing


vngbusa

Who is the other female MC is who is amazing in both languages? Not Marion the other one


Elemmla

Besides Novak is GOAT, I think he is such a gentleman.


redfedric

I couldn’t find an answer anywhere but I’m curious as to why 2nd place of the french open gets a tray?


zeng434zung

So you can use it to place the trophy on, the next year. Its inspiring.


WislaHD

Talk about putting expectations on Tsitsipas lol


ScrantonScrangler

Do you guys believe Nadal should hire a different coach? He seriously needs to revamp his serve, If he keeps serving like that I don't know if he can win another slam. Had his serve not betrayed him the other day, he may had beaten Djokovic.


GStarAU

Interesting thought - but Moya has done pretty well with Rafa I think. I'd say Rafa's net game has gotten better, and he's maintained his power and consistency. If we're talking purely serve.... they actually tried to 'up' the pace on Rafa's serve a few years ago, by changing his action. Apparently Rafa didn't like it, so he actually made the choice (mid-tournament at the AO) to switch back to his old serve!


ScrantonScrangler

He has done amazingly. I don't think he needs to fire Moya, but it would be great if he could add some else to his team, someone who helps him with his serves. He certainly has the money for it.


lastofoblivion

Serves take a toll on his left shoulder. It’s something he’s been working on over and over to keep up. After his loss with Novak, I think winning will take extra grit for him from now on. He’ll find a way and reinvent himself. He’s relentless even if his body isn’t.


Sea_Understanding_23

He can hire Djokovic


lastofoblivion

How is Stefanos trending higher than Novak in the bird app when Novak just made history?


AfroExpress

I guess cuz djoko is controversial


Common_Ganache_8582

No he isn't. It's because fedal fans don't like him winning.


AfroExpress

He actually is? I guess he just isnt the smartest guy PR wise. Whole adria Tour, covid partying, antivaxx stuff, his weird impressions early in his career. Everything he did off court Was kinda controversial. I think it is really hard to cheer for him. I mean im a rafa Fan and fed is just a lot more likeable and ure happy for him even in the ao '17. They both seem naturally authentic


_BaldyLocks_

Rafa authentic, ok can agree. Fed is as authentic as those bland sweaters he likes to wear so much and about as exciting to listen to as a dead parrot.


lastofoblivion

I’m a Rafa fan and I loved him winning tho?


slim13shady

I don’t know why but every time I’ve seen Stef cry after losing a match, I view it as a sign of strength. He is fully compelled in what he is doing. I don’t see it as a weakness, it’s almost resilience to emotionally fight back against what just happened. He’ll be fine.


jack2047

God what I wouldn’t give for Rafa to win another Wimbledon or AO. Smh


as-weird-as-it-gets

He seems dejected


hhsin12

Hard to say Novak won this, Tsitsipas lost it.


lostinmoss

Well, that was disappointing. In other news, Tiafoe won the Nottingham challenger defeating Kudla in straights, which is good for him. Needs a confidence boost and matchplay.


rrrndz

“Hope I can do as half as Novak” Dude that’s like almost 10 Slams


maltvitasoy

A quarter of Novak’s career is already hall of fame worthy lmao


Vibhor_Saini

Not to mention almost 20 masters


Synrise

They really ought to be able to come up with a better concept for an award ceremony. Compared to the level of the match these 2 amazing atheletes played, this is laughable. They manage to make it awkward for *everyone*.


hereforacsjob

Like how?


sandypjoshi

Tsitsipas is humble.


amazonflex20212022

What happened?


unclespleef123

Ahh feels so strange not hearing the Spanish national anthem this year.


bman35

Why don't they do live translations? I'm sure it wouldn't be totally accurate but at least you would get the gist.


[deleted]

The trio of nextgens (Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev) have lost their first grand slam finals in 5 sets.


PSGsupport3r

I might cry. Stef looks so sad


coleburnz

Fun isn't something one considers when balancing the Grand Slams. But this... does put a smile on my face......Thanovic


baguetteworld

He looks so sad 😭😭😭


sprgsmnt

stop the sulking already!


baguetteworld

It’s only been 5 minutes since he lost the biggest match of his life. Give him some time damn.


chrysoberyyll

He was 2-0 sets up and had a pretty good chance, let him be upset


chrysoberyyll

Poor Stef, he looks close to tears :(


Dare555

he is young plenty of time to get Slams ,Novak was at same position in his age playing against Fed/Nadal. Future is bright for him


HiddenHeavy

Bjorn almost looks younger than Jim


Kryptox1814

Looking forward to Novak’s performance at Wimbledon


SwansyOne

Borg is so handsome.


look4pham

Don't see Novak as the best to ever do it. RAFA #1 STILL THEN NOVAK 2ND!!


TezRoll

Greatest to ever do it but novak is an awful ambassador for tennis


Both-Opening-970

Yeah, super bad. He plays like a god, and speaks fluently in 3 languages (English, French and Italian) baring his own and is probably passable in a few more (Spanish and maybe German come to mind). Totally inappropriate.


iLackSkill13

You made 3 comments already, no one agrees with you just stop embarrassing yourself


OliverDMcCall

That's subjective


jack2047

His mental strength is absolutely incredible. While Rafas and Rogers mental stranglehold on many of their opponents has diminished a little his is still as tight as ever.


hereforacsjob

Rogers mental strength is worst out of three. Nadal and djoker can be compared


AfroExpress

In what way?


[deleted]

He’s not as good at converting break/set/match points


AfroExpress

Wouldnt reduce mental strenght just on that


zacharius55

I was lukewarm to him, but I think this valiant effort by Stef makes me respect and like him that much more.


vngbusa

Djokovic speaks a form of Franglais? Or is it actually decent French.


0-40

Very decent. Correct grammar and decent vocabulary. I knew he was working on it a few years back and I can say : "well done, sir!"


baguetteworld

He’s brilliant with learning languages. He’s a quick learner and just has that natural ability


MrRawri

It's pretty decent


0-40

Djokovik has really improved his French.


Sea_Understanding_23

You need to work on your Serbian though


Weider2

His shirt change needs a meme.


TheEternalAcademic

Love him or hate him. He’s the GOAT. This is coming from a Federer fan.


sertyawert

Dread it run from it blah blah thanovic prevails again


Both-Opening-970

Cici should have aimed for the head i guess 🤷


DarthOverkill

Honestly. He’s unbeatable it seems.


JumpingBush

LETS GOOOOO


tabure67

The most painful way to lose GS final, 3 - 0 would be much easier.


Dare555

he did see now that he can compete with the best tho


mooooca

AS HE SHOULD!!!!!


an0therdude

Goat


sertyawert

Feel bad for tsitsi but not surprising at all from Novak, he deserves it after beating Rafa, good final!!


TezRoll

Boring result for tennis that damages it's appeal to casual fans


an0therdude

Idiot


TezRoll

Say what you want, original statement is true


i_shred_you

Explain your reasoning for the statement


as-weird-as-it-gets

Well deserved!


FlyingMocko

#GREATEST OF ALL TIME!


CaptainSpocksBrain

That was a kill shot by the Djoker.


sertyawert

Roger fan but he's the undisputed goat honestly


Dani_1026

Let’s wait for him to have more Grand Slams than Nadal and Federer at least, isn’t it? At least in football the best national team would be decided on the number of World Cups won (Brazil is the best one because they have 5, then Italy and Germany are tied as second best because they have 4). Congratulations to Djoković, though! Hopefully next year Nadal will play much better than his poor game in the semifinals. That definitely was not Nadal, but a poor version of him, unusual compared to his best days in Roland Garros.


Jellykid_NOOOO

You're baked. Nadal played fine. You know Nadal is 35 and Djoko is 34 and Federer is like 41 they getting old


Dani_1026

Nadal has won 105 matches in Roland Garros and lost 3. He committed an unusual number of double fouls, unforced errors and, in general, mistakes he would never make, at least not in the same amount as he did against Djoković. If you have watched any Nadal’s match since 2005 (you have a lot of great matches to watch), you would know that those semifinals are out of the norm. He didn’t play well, his physics is not good and Djoković played very good. That doesn’t diminish Djoković’s victory, but I would have liked to watch a better version, a more usual Roland Garros-version of Nadal. Anyway, you are a Serb, so, I am going to assume you didn’t watch much tennis before Djoković appeared.


Notbot30blok

Good point, Nadal is undisputed on clay, 13 titles on RG, no objection. The GOAT of clay. But if you think that's enough to dispute the Novak greatness as a Tennis player GOD of today and GOAT of tomorow and better player overall you are just being biased. Neither Fed or Nadal have won all GS once let alone twice. NOVAK just did. Proved time and time again that has the best mental and physical fitness of all current players, young and old. Stayed at the top of his game even though the other 2 rivals slipped several times, especially Nadal who had to give 130% percent of himself, which resulted in serious injuries, just to stay competitive with bot Novak and Federer but never to surpras them enough to be ahead. Do I need to continue further?


Dani_1026

Second message: the debate between Federer and Nadal. Federer has also been more complete as a player; if someone tells me he is better than Nadal, I accept it, why shouldn’t I. But “never to surpass them” (Federer and Djoković). They are tied in Grand Slams and Nadal wins in their head-to-head (24-16). Nadal also leading 14-10 in finals together. There is some kind of an obsession to have a definite ‘greatest of all time’, as if it was as easy as black and white with these three players. I don’t consider it so easily, but again, if you say this, then you’re biased, blind or crazy.


Dani_1026

I don’t want to diminish anything Djoković has done. He is one of the best three tennis players ever. But, isn’t it a bit soon to state that he is the greatest of all time? Shouldn’t be the greatest of all time have more Grand Slams than any other player that has ever existed? Don’t get me wrong, if everything continues like this he will be **that** player. But to me, it is as saying that a swimmer is the best swimmer of all time when he still hasn’t got as many gold medals as Michael Phelps did? This has been, since I watch tennis (and it was before the ‘Big 3’), the criteria to determine the best tennis player ever. Sampras was that one, back in the day. Another subject which has been discussed before, and now if you mention it, nothing will come out of it because it will simply look that you want to defend Nadal: why two Grand Slams on the same surface? I have always thought that this is unfair (I repeat, before Nadal). What would tennis’ tour look like, and, as a consequence, the number of trophies won by each tennis player, if there were two Grand Slams on clay and only one in hard court? That would be still unfair. But what does it matter? Anything you try to state to challenge anything related to Djoković will get downvoted to Hell here, I don’t know why. Tennis has always been, mostly, a respectful sport; tennis players (the majority of them all) respect each other and have immense admiration to each other. There’s nothing but good words between each other. Here? If you say something that Djoković’s fans think it is just something that doesn’t favour them, it’s out of debate and you’re just an idiot.


Notbot30blok

If your opinion is that, as of now neither of the 3 is the GOAT, I can accept that. To be the GOAT you need to surpras every opponent at what matters. NOVAK did that at 99% of achievements, only numbers of GS titles remain, meaning he is the closest of the 3 to achive that. Regarding the other subjet I don't think you understood me. I didn't defend Nadal, nor do I support him as a fan, just acknowledging his achievements and objecting that they are not enough to state him as a GOAT or better than the other two.


Dani_1026

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I said “you” in the impersonal: if someone who likes tennis and also happens to support Nadal (I do so, for example, because I’m Spanish and I support Spanish tennis players), if you raise the subject of the unfairness of the existence of two Grand Slams on the same surface, then nothing will come out of this debate. Even if this has been talked for many years, before the ‘Big 3’. It’s how the tour is, but it’s not how it has always been. For me, it is as if in athletics there were suddenly more races of… whatever, 200 metres than 100 metres, and specialists of 100-metre races could say that that is unfair. The fact that you can state so easily that Djoković or Federer are better than Nadal is what baffles me. It’s your opinion, but I strongly disagree at least with how easily someone can drop a statement like this. Nadal has the same number of Grand Slams as Federer, has more ATP 1000 titles and is clearly winning in the head-to-head. And I am the first to say that saying Nadal is better/has been better than Federer is a bit precipitated. But, according to you, Nadal’s achievements, numerically and statistically, which are better than Federer’s are not enough not even to have a blurry boundary between them. I think at the moment, you can’t say any of the three is the greatest of all time. But in many sports there is this obsession with clearly saying who that player is, no matter if the cases are so blurry as these ones.


Notbot30blok

I didn't say that Fed or Djokovic are better tham Nadal, but they preserve their health and longetivity better, just that he hasn't surpassed them overall. And head to head Djoković has a better score (30-28 in games and 15-13 in finals)


Dani_1026

Nadal leading 10-7 in Grand Slams finals. Check the head-to-head in Nadal’s prime years, not after his physical downfall. Nadal had always been winning that particular head-to-head. When you compare who is a better player than the other you usually compare them in their prime. Nadal was easily winning in their particular head-to-head in his prime years before the injuries. What is there to say? Praise Djoković’s healthy physics. Nadal’s career has been shaded by injuries. Check the head-to-head until 2013. Then after that, Nadal has been Nadal sometimes but it’s not the same. Djoković has been the best for years. Prime Nadal against prime Djoković? For me, it’s Nadal. Remember Nadal making Federer cry at Australian Open finals (2009). Those years, 2008-2010, there hasn’t been, **to me**, a better player. 14-7 winning Nadal in head-to-head before 2010 started. 22-17 by the time Nadal’s best time was kind of over (2013). He is still one of the best, of course, and he can still win tournaments, but if you have watched him consistently, it’s not prime Nadal anymore. 2012-2018 was plagued by injuries. What I want to say: are their numbers even? Yes, kind of. Is Djoković better than Nadal now? Yes, no doubt. Has Djoković been the best tennis player for years? Absolutely. Has Nadal been in a decline for a while, due to age, of course, and physics? Unfortunately yes. Djoković has aged better. Was Nadal better than Djoković when he was in his prime days? To me, yes, what can I say. But it’s a bit unfair compare the two players now, given the circumstances, and easily say: “Look, Djoković has beat Nadal in clay in 2021, then Djoković is the best in history”. I can’t agree with that, there’s much more than that to choose something as blurry as a greatest of all time. This is the kind of opinions that cannot even be debated usually with a Djoković fan because in many cases, it will be “Djoković is the GOAT, shut up, I know about tennis more than you because I love Djoković”.


TopOrganization

Same man, as a Fed fan myself. Djoker is hands down the goat.


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don’t listen to them nole


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can the crowd not be so disrespectful to nole like wtf?


swaggergirl29

What did they do?


MisterS1997

Like he got defaulted for hitting a lines woman just last year. He’s always throwing or breaking his racket or screaming at ball kids. He takes tactical time outs even Murray had said it. It’s just general gamesmanship he isn’t liked for. He had a party during COVID too that’s enough for most people. I can remember when he cheated Andy Murray out of a point in Miami when he touched the net. It showed on the big screen too like a min later


MaesterEd

Ok mental note, MisterS1997 is also known as Nick Kyrgios


frankiboy

He also has zero charm


Dare555

he is a modest ,well mannered with his interviews he didn't deserve hate. Hell if hes from West they would love his ass


MisterS1997

Yeah the fake ness some times is cringe just embrace being Djokovic stop trying to be someone else


-ideclarebankruptcy-

Yeah, fuck that crowd. Novak deserves better.


AfroExpress

He is just no crowdfavourite, i guess he doesnt want to be and is srsly not doing much to improve it


FlyingMocko

Nole’s just toying with him now


jfuite

He has decided he is not going to lose.


Yupadej

Wtf was that forehand ☠️


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ONE. MORE. GAME. NOLE.


FlyingMocko

Now they cheer for the GOAT lmao


TezRoll

Has any other sport ever had a greatest of all time candidate as disliked as djokovic?


Cincy-Shinburgers

Easily Tom Brady. He’s universally hated outside of New England.


Swaggitymcswagpants

I’d say Tom Brady is starting to get more respect, but he’s spent the majority of his career as maybe the most hated player in his sport.


lecasiodxb

Maybe Hamilton. And that’s from countrymen that you would think would support someone who’s the best at their sport.


TezRoll

Yeah absolute shout. Lot of parallels between novak and Hamilton


Kilgaloon

Probably some people find it not really entertaining to chant for better. Most of the people embrace underdogs for fun.