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r/Tennis Discussion (Tuesday, June 15, 2021)

r/Tennis Discussion (Tuesday, June 15, 2021)

WordWarrior81

Berrettini looks pretty solid on the grass, serving pretty well and nice touches with drop shots and volleys (from what I've seen so far). Murray competing but not doing too great. EDIT: And he's out


FlyReasonable6560

anyone know when del potro is eyeing his return?


Ashru987

He was aiming for Olympics but he also just started practicing like a couple weeks ago after like a third surgery.


WordWarrior81

I wonder if we'll see a resurgent Delpo at the USO - that'll be nice


Omegatron64

Just realized Murray beat a healthy Berrettini in Beijing 2019 in straights, and now they're slated to go again tomorrow at Queens...interesting.


Omegatron64

Rublev at a 500 has entered the chat


Rac3318

Man, Halle went from “look at how loaded the draw is” to only Federer, Rublev, and Zverev left as big title contenders and no one would be shocked if Zverev lost his next match.


Omegatron64

At this point we might as well accept that the final will be Giron vs Lacko. At least Queens will be a bit more respectable, Mannarino vs Troicki.


caganessa24

Zverev was always in control of that game tho. Cant even believe he lost one set lol


lostinmoss

Thats the issue with Zverev, he loses matches hes completely in control of


FlyReasonable6560

I don't understand, Kyrgios isn't even playing Queens and yet his face is still on a billboard at the tournament as some kind of promotional material....makes no sense at all


smalliebigs69

He pulled out like a week or so ago. Probably was made in advance.


GhostofTeholnbugg

Mind boggles to think they'd rely on Kyrgios to play tennis.


[deleted]

Fognini has a better record on grass than he does on hard courts and he gets an absolutely cooked Cilic next I know he hates playing on grass but he could make the semis in this tournament


caganessa24

Cilic what the hell was that. Thanks for making me lose 10 years of life. Oh nice win and fuck you. Dont play with my heart like that.


-Ketjow-

[Iga Świątek absolutely destroys a group of small disabled kids!!1 \[not a click-bait\]](https://www.instagram.com/p/CQJWUzZncgQ/)


Pisces_Mermaid

Cilic should thank the gods that netcord while 3-1* down in the tb somehow landed inside the court. Ofner’s serve disappeared in the end when it mattered most


shyaminator96

Finally marin wins!


loveiseverywhere23

Is mladenovic - ferro match going to be delayed till tommorow?


slayer_of_potatoes

How is this match still happening


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Omegatron64

Fognini? Easy path on *grass*? We're talking about the guy who loves the surface so much he once said he wanted to "drop a bomb" on a wimbledon court? 😂


Schlok453

Come on now let's be fair, I think it was one of the outside courts


Omegatron64

Ah yep you are right, court 14. Statement still stands though haha.


ThorsRake

Yes Jack! What a turnaround.


cooldude1991

Do all of you keep the matches on at work?


shyaminator96

Yes, but on mute


[deleted]

nice try boss


cooldude1991

lol I was just curious. I sometimes have the ATP radio on but not the matches.


Omegatron64

Cilic: \**wins Stuttgart w/o dropping a set, starts Queens with a set and a break lead\** Everyone: *could he contend for Wimbledon?* Cilic: *\*smiles as he gets broken back\* you thought*


[deleted]

dude put on a lot of miles last week, i'd expect him to look better at Wimbledon after a week off


Itoxicdemon

If Cilic manages to keep his form this week and win or get to the final, could he be seeded at Wimbledon or is it too late? He's only 200 points away from 32.


ChertanianArmy

Yes. If Cilic wins / gets to the final, he's seeded... at the expense of John Isner! Unless Nadal or someone else withdraws.


Dafuqyoutalkingabout

I think the seeds are based on next Monday’s ranking. Seeds are back to being based on rankings only for the men’s side.


chakokat

> Seeds are back to being based on rankings only for the men’s side. How come? Who does that help? I bet "based on ranking" will be beneficial to Federer. Right??


Dafuqyoutalkingabout

Won’t be beneficial to Federer as he would have been pushed to number 2 seed probably if they stuck with their own method.


chakokat

But *why* would they abandon *their own method* NOW when “tradition” is their hallmark? Just seems odd. There are no coincidences imo ;-)


Dafuqyoutalkingabout

They dropped it for 2020 but obviously 2020 Wimbledon’s didn’t happen lol


chakokat

Thanks for the explanation.


lostinmoss

Because Nadal got super mad at them for doing it


chakokat

I’m sure he wasn’t the only one because their "own methods” were often arbitrary and illogical BUT benefited someone whom they wanted to elevate or assist.


[deleted]

no one between him and 32 looks like they're going to do much of anything in the next two weeks so yes


thelastattemptsname

Surely Wimbledon should take into account the points from the very few grass tournaments leading up to Wimbledon. Cilic being seeded will be a welcome news for the other seeds more than Cilic himself


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Cilic on grass has joined the chat


Omegatron64

He then decided he wanted to take the scenic route for more practice.


vngbusa

Sinner just finished a doubles match with Lopez and immediately gets working on his serve afterwards on the same court. Good mentality.


Omegatron64

Love that he's playing doubles with Lopez on grass - should be great learning for Wimbledon.


Omegatron64

20 aces from Shapovalov?!?! Wow.


caganessa24

Grass....


slayer_of_potatoes

> "I think there was a smile on all our faces when he came through, let's be honest. Because we thought this was going the distance" Is Rusedski saying that he wanted Shapovalov to win or that he just thought the match was shit and wanted it to be over?


Eaglelefty

Probably the latter. You can see clearly on Shapo's face that he knows it was a shitty match.


Omegatron64

Absolutely no idea who's winning either of these 500s. Should be a fun week!


slayer_of_potatoes

Finals will be Giron-Kohlschreiber and Ofner-Draper.


[deleted]

Shapo looks relieved as hell. Man knew he played like ass


Pisces_Mermaid

Nice TB performance for Shapo keeping composure in both of them and saving a total of 4 set points. That ball toss still a little ugly


Rac3318

That was just one godawful match. Someone should take these two to the side and teach them how to chip and slice a return. Shapo has completely regressed on all the improvements he has made on returning under Youzhny.


Mingy_Jongo_

lmao the classic scream at a line judge to win 5 straight points combo


Morgothor

Huh. I was not expecting that TB comeback.


IcyOrdinary1

If shapo was playing almost anybody in the top 20 with his level today, he would be toast.


Cody667

Like in the tiebreakers maybe? He served remarkably well today. If he played anyone in the top 20 he would've played two 6-6 sets with tiebreakers. It's been a long time since we've had a grass season so its understandable for people to forget how grass tennis typically works, but yeah, other than maybe Djokovic or Federer, he wasn't getting broken with how he served in this match.


IcyOrdinary1

He served well, I’ll give you that. But a better opponent( djoker, fed,med etc) would return more balls, and with his return game today, he would not be able to do much on their serve.


Frode789

Cilic gonna be scary for early rounds at Wimbledon.


Cody667

Good old Shapo with a code violation for yelling "you suck" at a line judge.


Richevszky

*proceeds to argue with umpire*


starboys23

Shapovalov to lines man “YOU SUCK” *drops the set*


Swami747

Shapo sucks at rapping compared to Moutet


[deleted]

Berrettini-Murray gonna be a super underrated matchup Andy looked like his 2017 self out there today


Eaglelefty

2017 wasn't his best year, but he fought his way to a Wimbledon QF that year so I'm excited to see. But still, Berrettini can blow Andy off the court in 2.


FlyReasonable6560

he should blow Andy off the court in 2 but that's what should've happened in Beijing 2019, and yet Andy won in two TBs, my money's on Andy with his grass experience and berrettini's lack of BH


[deleted]

>2017 wasn't his best year, but he fought his way to a Wimbledon QF that year yes, that's why i said 2017 instead of 2016


slayer_of_potatoes

/u/Artistic_Pepper [Wake up](https://old.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/o018mh/rtennis_discussion_tuesday_june_15_2021/h1vcaa5/)


Artistic_Pepper

Thank you. Hope it goes to third, will help me cure my insomnia


thelastattemptsname

Simona and Petra aren't playing any grass tournament before Wimbledon?


neyiat

I think Halep will play Bad Homburg


thelastattemptsname

Some tournament put on social media about Kvitova, Halep and Angie being part of the draw. Assumed it was Berlin but since the first two aren't playing it must be the one you told


neyiat

Yassss Kasatkina!


jannar24

Overrule and the meltdown strangely woke up Fabio - won all 6 points after that


Omegatron64

Berlin draw is fire. Sabalenka Keys, Pliskova Pegula as I mentioned earlier, Kerber Azarenka, Muguruza-Rybakina, Cornet Andreescu, Bencic Martic, Alexandrova Svitolina - I realize I just listed out every 2nd round match besides Kudermetova Samsonova lol (rip Vondrousova).


Slambodog

So the call clearly came after Fognini hit it


Mingy_Jongo_

Dear god Shapo return a ball, this is horrendous


Itoxicdemon

It's grass to be fair, they're adjusting to it and returning is much harder


Bubbly-Ordinary-1097

Shapo played last week at a grass court tournament


Mingy_Jongo_

His best return this set has been a weak short ball which Vukic has put away, he hasn't even gotten into a rally. I think it's more than just the grass.


Itoxicdemon

Of course, his returning is something that needs work. Just saying it's harder when it's one of his first matches on grass too


jannar24

Fognini meltdown after an overrule, that was inevitable


op1130

Wasn't into tennis when Shapo just was on the rise in around 2018. Listening to the commentator describing how he was hyped up as the next tennis great then makes me wonder if the hype around Sinner Musetti etc will end in disappointment too


Ashru987

The only hyped up player recently to live up to expectations has been Tsitispas really, everyone else just seemed unable to play at a consistently high level.


Itoxicdemon

At the moment it seems any hyped up player is struggling to live up to it. FAA was hugely hyped 2 years ago and hasn't done much since unfortunately. It's hard when that extra pressure is added on imo for the player, as everyone is expecting them to suddenly be winning big matches


Artistic_Pepper

Wake me up when they get to the second tiebreak


jannar24

Excellent htting from Lu when Fognini was serving for the match, back on serve


monsieurartois

Kasatkina down 4-6 0-3, then wins 9 of the next 10 games to take the lead, up a break in the 3rd


stephenwynn

Classic Fabio


feralvam

Well, that was tighter than expected. Let's hope Shapo improves for the second set.


Peach_Cobblers

Shappy!


[deleted]

Shapo beating Nadal feels like 10 lifetimes ago


Peach_Cobblers

For reaaaaal


Morgothor

It actually almost happened again not too long ago


Solid-Database4043

This returning from shapo🤢🤮


Mingy_Jongo_

It's definitely his biggest weakness


Rac3318

I’m going to laugh if Shapo loses this tiebreak. It should never have gotten this far.


Artistic_Pepper

First time watching Shapo?


Rac3318

It’s sad how much his returning has regressed in the past 18 months or so.


Morgothor

Shaky return shapo vs low ranked strong server makes for really boring matchups.


jannar24

Watching ATP tennis from the own balcony, that's gotta be so cool


zeolitewater

Anyone have a link for the Sinner doubles match?


Dorvek

http://live.jokerswidget.org/streamvideo13/lopez-fsinner-j-vs-evans-domara-j-live-stream-5489718.html


neyiat

Let's gooo Kasatkina


Omegatron64

Just noticed Pegula and Pliskova are playing each other again, this time in Berlin. Given she's 0-3 this year against her, can imagine Karolina is wondering, how many times?!?!


IcyOrdinary1

Shapo returns like garbage on grass. I get that its a quicker surface but cmon man, if you want to be top 10, can’t give away so many free points.


tuftabeet

Don't understand how he hasn't broken this guy ranked 200 below him. Maybe the rankings are just garbage info.


IcyOrdinary1

The guy seems like a big server on grass but shapo needs to make some improvements to his game, enough is enough with the stagnation.


tuftabeet

The guy has a great serve, I'll give him that, but shapo was so lucky to win this at all, let alone in straight sets


Ashru987

His return has always been the weakest part of his game.


IcyOrdinary1

I would argue its consistency but return is next up on the list


Bubbly-Ordinary-1097

Does Fabio have a ponytail?


jannar24

No, it's his bandana


Bubbly-Ordinary-1097

I thought I saw a small ponytail


SuperSaiyanGoten

I saw a stat recently that said Djokovic has beaten the defending champion at a major 8 times, which is the most. Made me wonder if Rafa and Roger have done it? I know Roger has done it at 2001 Wimbledon and 2012 Wimbledon, don’t know about any other instances. Djokovic has done it at the following: * 2008 AO * 2011 AO * 2011 Wimbledon * 2011 USO * 2015 AO * 2015 RG * 2015 USO * 2021 RG


lostinmoss

Nadal at 2008 Wimbledon is the only one I can think of immediately


FlyReasonable6560

the most iconic and legendary one


SuperSaiyanGoten

That’s a great one, forgot about that


jeffwingersballs

You forgot 2020 USO.


SuperSaiyanGoten

I get the joke but Novak didn’t win USO in 2019, he retired due to an elbow injury in round 4


jeffwingersballs

Oops.


Rac3318

Something you’ll never hear again, “the moment the rally gets started Shapovalov becomes the favorite.”


lostinmoss

Every once in a while I remember Muguruza won Wimbledon


hopez11

Muguruthless babyyyy


Schlok453

Humbert: "YESSSSSS! Putain elle est belle celle-là. J'en mets pas une du match..." This guy kills me


drntl

The other day my opponent hit the weirdest shot I've ever seen. He was serving, and hit the ball on just the top of the frame. It popped up into the air, and I ignored it, assuming it'd not make it over the net. But then it was clearly gonna go into the service box, so I had to run it down like a drop shot. But it had so much side spin on it, when it bounced, it shot off like six feet to the right, parallel to the net. Ace lol


lostinmoss

[Was I right or was I right?](https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/o018mh/rtennis_discussion_tuesday_june_15_2021/h1uxc7y?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)


neyiat

Yesss Humbert


henrydajones

Still feel like shapo will get near the top of the game.


Schlok453

Isn't it a bit of a joke that they put Cilic on Court 1? I know Shapovalov is the second seed but Cilic is a former champion (who literally beat Shapovalov four days ago)


Itoxicdemon

Yeah Cilic deserves Centre Court being a 2 time champion, he's also coming off a title win last week too


neeltennis93

Damn what a return


queenofhades

Pliskova vs Pegula again lol


Omegatron64

Humbert bro what lol


slayer_of_potatoes

Who has a better chance of beating Zverev? Humbert or Querrey?


Omegatron64

Querrey I think, Humbert is just very hot and cold


neeltennis93

Neither?


slayer_of_potatoes

I was thinking like 2% vs 1%


neeltennis93

That’s fair


neeltennis93

Let’s go querrey!!


GhostofTeholnbugg

Andy's gonna go farther than Roger at Wimbledon. I bet one internet point.


ExoticSignature

Would be great to see Sir Andy make it deep!


slayer_of_potatoes

So Andy beats Roger in the final?


jeffwingersballs

Fedstans on suicide watch.


curtdawg01

If he has to lose to someone, couldn't think of a better option.


slayer_of_potatoes

How about surprise wildcard Roddick?


curtdawg01

I'd allow it. Only time I actively rooted against Fed was in that final.


GhostofTeholnbugg

For it.


Schlok453

Humbert squanders match points and hands back the break


Mullac4991

Did Sam have match points at all?


Salmabutnotsalma

Ugo broken when serving for the match *pretends to be shocked*


neeltennis93

He definitely let querrey back into the match


Salmabutnotsalma

Madlad did it to improve his tiebreak record


cedenike

not feelin this bandana


cedenike

actually i think it's the haircut


NightCroissant

Is anyone watching mugu rn ? How is she doing ?


Sperrow8

In the match? Pretty good, but Cirstea never wins against Muguruza, so its difficult to judge on a broader scale. Muguruza forehand game looks great though.


Alex_Sander077

Give the guy a day off cmon


neyiat

Ugh Andy is a much better person than the big three combined, will miss him when he retires.


FlyReasonable6560

lmao what, this comment doesn't make sense, could you please explain


Ramiah73

Not true


LushLoxx

Andy always does that hand through the hair thing when talking to the media.


Schlok453

See I told you all Paire is actually a great guy


uma100

Awww


Ambyen

I’m crying. You’re crying. We’re all crying.


ChocolateSnowflake

Andy’s making me cry. We’ve all been robbed of him with these injuries.


Leotabbycat

Oh Andy... 😭😭😭😘😘😘


Leotabbycat

Seeing him choked up saying how much he loves playing tennis... 😭😭😭


Secret-Roof-7503

I’m gonna cry when he returns to Wimbledon


ExoticSignature

You mean when he wins it


Leotabbycat

Me too


nachtigalz

Andy getting choked up gets me every time.


Critical_Potato_6389

What are Nadal and Djokovic doing until Wimbledon? I don’t see their names in any of the tournaments.


ChocolateSnowflake

Djokovic is playing doubles in Mallorca next week. Nothing from Rafa.


warachwe

Wait what? where did you get that from? I'm surprise. Djokovic playing double with who?


ChocolateSnowflake

See my post history. I posted it in the sub a few hours ago. Mallorca organisers have confirmed. No confirmation yet who he’s playing with but likely Lajovic


aweap

Just 6 ue's from Sir Andy...looks promising! ☺️


uma100

Thanks for losing, Ben!


Geosaurusrex

Andyyyyyyy


HeilPingu

Benoit 'i await the fans' Paire gave absolutely fuck all that match


Schlok453

He obviously wasn't talking about British fans


Big_Accident577

Nice return and returns.


ChocolateSnowflake

Andy <3


Itoxicdemon

Good first match for Andy, although Paire didn't show too much life. Berrettini will be a real challenge


Zer0wned1

Job done. Now Berrettini will be the real test


jazzman23uk

Good lord, I put more effort in waddling to the fridge than Paire did getting down for that backhand


TomasBerdshit

I love Andy and all, but fucking hell all he’s had to do is exist in this match


Schlok453

Yeah and the crowd (who probably don't follow much tennis) most likely think that he's playing amazingly. He played well but Paire is Paire.


studiousmaximus

“cars without the faff” is the most british thing ever


jannar24

I have a strong feeling that Lu Yen-Hsun is going to beat Fognini