r/Tennis Discussion (Wednesday, June 16, 2021)
By - rafaknight
Apparently Taylor Fritz had knee surgery?
He hurt his knee on the last point of his last RG match. I think it was the meniscus.
Big oof reading the comments in the Federer thread.
I love him. Truly. He's the most brilliant tennis player of all time. But at some point you have to face reality. At what point do you stop saying "That's what they said in 2017!" and realize that at some point Federer will be too old to play tennis at a level enough to win grand slams? At 45? At 50? He's injured, he's had multiple surgeries, and he's 39 years old.
At some point you have to let go.
He just made the 4th round of a major. That's a good result for most of the top 50. Why would he stop competing if he's still firmly at the top of tennis?
Never We have not had enough of him 😭 I know we had 20 years but that’s not enough
Is anyone really scared for Wimbledon. It feels like fed is really looking forward to it and if he loses early i can see him retiring in frustration.
Is Federer the only person playing Wimbledon?
No but he's my favorite player, bitch.
Then you have reason to be scared.
A redundant comment to my question.
Hey mate. Need something from you tonight? Please, any tips?
Cilic to win Wimbledon.
Djokovic owns Cilic. There’s no way.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Honestly I think so. Nobody is talking about him, but the guy really has a game
Noones really talking about him because it’s easy to forget how good Marin is on grass, especially after a 2 year break and when he’s not really done much on hard or clay this year to set himself up as a threat.
For Fed’s sake I hope Wimbledon plays like clay.
Sebi vs Kei tomorrow. Fuck me I'll be sad either way
What did Fed say in the press conference?
So Federer came out and said the only reason he delayed press was because he was frustrated and didn’t want to say anything wrong out of frustration (lol)
So does that put the injury fear mongering to bed
Not really. I feel like he’s definitely not 100% and didn’t want to say something he might regret or get blown out of proportion by the press, that’s my take. Sigh. So sad to see him like this, but I feel like his body is just day to day right now.
Also, saw some tweets that said he only asked for questions in English, as he normally takes questions in 3 languages. So a bit odd.
If he speaks German he may be too honest
No, obviously not, since Federer has almost never announced an injury at a press conference to my knowledge.
It was pretty clear something wasn’t right out there. People get annoyed at this because they somehow read that as Federer fans finding excuses, as if him being injured would in any way benefit us. It would mean imminent, if not immediate retirement. These debates about narrative are absolutely ludicrous.
Just realised guaranteed a Brit in the last 4 at Queens
I didn't expect a fight tennis-wise by Fogna after he said he hates grass and especially Wimbledon, but he had Cilic in trouble in the second. Nice win for Marin, serving big with 82% of points won with his 1st serve and completing 36 winners against 13 UEs. Not that bad from Fabio, with 18 winners and 12 UEs.
Missed this Cilic. Too good
He even seems to be moving better than I've seen him recently
He's playing too good right now. I think he's going for the title here in London.
Lol @ whoever said Fognini had a winnable path to the semis here on grass.
Next up: De Minaur. In case anyone forgets [the last time Cilic and De Minaur played](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47C-iTQQ0SU)...given form and surface, advantage probably Cilic, but who knows.
Cilic hitting a nice little run of form
Really forget how good Cilic is on grass
I hate seeing fed like that. After his performances at RG I started to believe he could do nice things on grass... anyway from whom do you think will FAA is going to lose in the final? Or is still early for any predictions... maybe it is
Felix needs to get through (most likely) Zverev in the semis before he can think about the final.
Let's go fognini!
Cilic holds after a warning and a set point down. TB.
Great to see Keys playing well. Been kinda out in the wilderness since 2019.
I was thinking Sabalenka will probably be really good on grass given her serve and power, but forgot about the really obvious part where what happens when those area of her game aren't working properly. She need some work on those other areas.
I've never seen her stand so far back on return like she was today. I get that Keys has a big serve but to me just indicated that she wasn't sure what to do.
Most likely can't handle the surface like she thought. Pros and cons of grass I suppose.
Wow that was impressive from Keys.
The third set in the Sabalanka/Keys match was excellent. Congrats to Madison!!
Come on Cilic!
Omg Madison Keys!!!!
Bye bitchy Sabalenka
Really good stuff from Keys. Hopefully she can build on this.
Keys and Sabalenka have the same:
Insert meme of Spidermen pointing at each other
Also playing style
Just as artists stay far away from reading reviews of their work, if I were Fed/Fed's team rn, I'd totally avoid social media/ any type of media until the start of Wimbledon, other than the mandatory press.. the game's still there. The confidence is not, looked good in the first half of the match tho. Reading dumb comments online can only hurt the confidence and increase self doubt. Just keep believing in yourself and do your best.
He’s 39 years old.
Why would he care what internet trolls have to say
He shouldn't.. But social media is addictive for everyone. If he's on it/anyone from his family's on it.. he's bound to come across these dumb comments at some point. We know it's affected Andy a lot and it's a sad truth about being a sportsperson on the decline/trying to make a comeback..
Fognini looking dangerous in this second set, leads 4-1
Was out with the dog at that score line; turned around quickly lol
It did yeah 🤣 Cilic found his first serve. Fognini did have set point at 6-5 but a beautiful ace saved it.
what tournament are you watching?
Queens Club. I'm in the UK so it's available on Prime and BBC
Federer hasn’t showed up to press yet which is very unusual for him, normally shows up very quickly after matches win or lose.
You can infer lots from this and we’ll find out soon enough, but it suggests some issue that needed fairly urgent treatment if it is delaying press. And he wasn’t moving well at all towards the end, with a basically powerless serve.
Edit: Federer will show up to press after Struff, who just lost. So we will see.
I don’t think he’ll enter Wimbledon unless he thinks he can do some damage.
I only caught the last couple of games, but it made me think of the 5th set of that USO match he lost to Dimitrov. Might be his back that’s bothering him, something definitely wasn’t right
I came here to discuss this. Let’s hope it’s nothing I can’t imagine the R word happening just before Wimbledon. So sad
Literally started tearing up thinking about it
Keys-Sabalenka heating up!
With Giron beating Struff, the streak of people doing bad in the matches after beating Medvedev continues. For reference, here are all the immediately following results of people hes lost to:
1. Djokovic - Beat Sinner in Monte Carlo, then lost to Evans
2. Lajovic - Lost to Coric in Rotterdam
3. RBA - Lost to Sinner in Miami
4. Garin - Lost to Berrettini in Madrid
5. Karatsev - Lost to Opelka in Rome
6. Tsitsipas - Beat Zverev at RG, then lost to Djokovic
7. Struff - Lost to Giron in Halle
Tbf Giron played really well.
You can see he earned the win, hitting forehand winner after forehand winner. He didn’t make many unforced errors as well. It was just a really clean and tight match by Giron. It wasn’t so much Struff playing badly
You could say that for a lot of these matches. The point was more "bad result" than "bad play".
It’s so crazy how a big server like Struff looks untouchable on his serve in the first set. Then in the second set it’s like opposing players finished “decoding” the serve and it’s no longer unstoppable
Vekic comes through in a tough match! Failed to serve it out at 5-2, with Giorgi saving 3 match points on Vekic's serve, but finally got it done.
Impressed that Vekic can play in a pullover in 77 F (25 C). I'd be sweating.
Didn’t think Giron would get through Struffi. Good for him.
Cant wait to get my dick wet tonight
Amazing by Keys
Cilic a dark horse for a decent run at Wimbledon?
Probably an early upset
Vekic v. Giorgi on the grass: the way these two can hit the ball, it's a shame they haven't developed into top-10 players, as the potential is certainly there.
Giorgi needs a new coach and someone to tell her that perhaps a drop shot or slice, and some finesse over power hitting could win her matches.
Absolutely, she's needed different coaching for a decade now.
Sadly i get the vibe that she’s a beautiful woman with various interests who also happens to be an amazing tennis player. Like she doesn’t care about the results and doesn’t think too hard in critical moments because she’s like “oh well my dress company got air time - back to chilling in italy i guess!” I can’t help but feel she just enjoys traveling and being semi well known more than fixing her actual game lol.
Looks great in those little dresses, at least!
I really like Fogninis kit but not altogether. It should be the shirt or the shorts that colour, not both.
I think Korda is the best American tennis player right now. I don't mean potentially in the future, I mean in terms of actual play in 2021.
You think he beats Kei tomorrow?
Wouldn't be shocked. Kei is in mediocre form these days and grass is his worst surface.
I keep thinking Tiafoe is ranked much higher than he actually is for some reason
He used to be a lot higher ranked - in 2018 he had the Delray Beach win and in 2019 he had the QFs in AO and Miami. But since then he hasn't had any big results to buoy his rank over his lapses in form. 1-14 vs top 20 players in his last 15 matches, as opposed to 7-19 before that.
Race to Turin agrees with you, he’s the highest ranked US player for 2021.
I mean he's the highest in the race by like 20 positions, and the second best is McDonald. The Americans haven't been too good this year.
Yeah, fair enough, may be obvious. I was just thinking my feelings on the matter had evolved substantially from where I thought of him as a potential huge player in the future to someone who had already eclipsed Fritz, Opelka, and Isner as the best American player.
Fognini picks a garish outfit to stand out and be noticed, but then they colour match the whole stadium to him.
I bet he's not happy.
idk if this is a common take but i feel like if/when aryna manages to harness her power a tiny bit more, especially in grand slams, she could just dominate the wta tour altogether. i see so much potential in her, due to middling performances in slams she isnt one of the first names on people's mind when they think about future great players but i really like her odds
She has no real variety in her game and when her game goes off it goes off. Plus she doesn’t have the mind of champion that’s why she hasn’t been that good at the slams.
we're talking potential here and both of these elements can be improved upon, over the last few months she's been toying more w slices and dropshots. idt it makes much sense to claim that "having the mind of champions" isnt something that can improve with time, effort and experience
I think that Sabalenka just isn't as good as people say, that ultra level is unsustainable and when things start to go south she doesn't have the plan B to bring them back.
that's the thing tho, we agree that she has a lot to improve on but she's already in the top 4 and will likely reach the top 3 sometimes soon so that level clearly is sustainable to some extent, sometimes for entire weeks. like you i can identify some flaws in her game and yet she's already doing so well, hence why i think there's a lot of potential there
Struff vs Giron is basically an ace-festival
It’s gotten a bit more rallies in the second and third set but the first set looked like two serve bots playing eachother
There are a lot of Djokovic fans (including me lol), but I don't understand the Switzerland thing
It's a fair point. For example Madrid is very different from Roland Garros. It's a big reason why Rafa hasn't won more of those (while winning every other clay major 10+ times).
I realise I'm grasping at straws 😅
Getting downvoted for the most reasonable post imaginable is pretty much what I've come to expect from this sub these days.
Halle is faster than Wimbledon. It is the only thing that comes to my mind but it could also be a huge factor.
After all that's the only thing we can do, isn't it?
According to Fed the court surface is vastly different and always has been.
The jingle that plays at the Berlin matches is so happy and cute
Sabalenka serving up breadsticks
Apparently Federer is taking a long time to come to the press conference? Hopefully just cooling down first and not any actual issues
I've been playing with a single handed backhand usually, but yesterday I played against a player who hit with a decent amount of topspin and I kept shanking my backhand, was barely able to land it back. I'm contemplating switching to a double hander but need to practice it since I've only always played with a single hander. Does it make sense or should i just practice my single hander more?
I was shocked at how unstable the single hander felt against the topspin forehands. It has always felt natural this far (but maybe i just played worse players who don't hit with spin)
I think this question is a little late in your career!
But the most important thing is to have fun and be yourself.
Lots of love,
I am sad about Roger's loss but your comment here got a few chuckles out. Thanks mate.
Stefan….as in Djokovic’s son? 🤣😂
Lol I meant Edberg but it’s funnier that way
I just want to say that the mental gymnastics that some Federer fans are employing to rationalize his loss today deserve an Olympic gold medal.
I see more Djokovic fans commenting on so called “Fed fans” rationalizing anything than I do Fed fans actually rationalizing anything. Mostly we realize the end is nigh and are sad our favorite player is no longer competitive
It’s honestly ridiculous. As if we wanted our guy to be injured. We just want him to be out there and have fun because we like to see him play.
It reflects a remarkable level of insecurity—despite Fed folks widely acknowledging Novak as GOAT in the past week.
It is completely ridiculous. Federer was my childhood hero and will always be the GOAT in my heart, but even I must admit that Djokovic will probably end up with all the records and the most convincing case. I just don’t know why Djokovic fans on this sub have to go so far out of their way to slander Fed.
We get it, your guy won.
I couldn’t have said it better. Their favorite line is “he’s old as fuck” which is all that you should know about these people. Like, yeah, thanks, didn’t know that. As if we won’t all get up there one day.
Okay, these straw man "Fed Fans" arguments are getting a little annoying.
For the overwhelming majority, no one is rationalizing anything. People are just mostly sad to see their favorite player look fragile, and potentially injured two weeks before a major.
Where was he potentially injured - I just don’t think anyone but fed fans see it
Did you watch the game or not? Because it was quite obvious the guy wasn’t moving at all. Besides, you should understand that at this point pointing out serious injury is hardly rationalization, since it implies very imminent retirement.
yeah he wasn’t moving cuz he’s old as shit. No joke.
Federer did press and no one reported any injury
Obviously he is old as hell for an athlete. But apparently you are too dense to grasp that injury typically goes hand-in-hand with advanced age.
Edit: you make it seem like as if we wanted our favorite player to be injured. Do you understand how absolutely ridiculous that sounds?
go read the comments in the various related threads. there is absolutely nothing "strawman" about it
Uhh, today, I saw nothing but despair in the game thread when things went South. Not mental gymnastics.
Besides, I find Federer fans have been quite fair when it comes to admitting Novak’s dominance since RG. But as usual in this debate, I guess it’s never enough.
Those Brits are pretty good on grass, huh.
Whoever the DJ is at Halle deserves a fucking medal. Simple plan, smash mouth, now they’re playing Africa by Toto.
Fucking fire playlist. The whole room would be screaming the lyrics at the house parties I went to in Manhattan pre pandemic
And now Green Day. I must hire this dj for my wedding
I must hate myself because I root for Bublik.
Kind of fun and enjoyable to watch the guy's highlights but I can imagine it's really depressing to be his fan though
Instead of a Russian match-up (Karatsev-Bublik), we get a British one (Norrie-Draper)
But it´s London, so good for them. :)
This shit is fucking unbearable. I'll see how I feel tomorrow, but it might be better for me if I just stay the fuck away from tennis for a couple of weeks. There's nothing but pain here.
No. I never gamble. I just get way too invested in it and it hurts.
If it affects you that much you should probably take a break. I feel like it’s always good to have a little mental reprieve from the sport. It can be strangely taxing.
I feel you, man. It's just sad.
Nothing but suffering. Although I do think I get over losses pretty quickly now after the monstrosity that Wim\*y 2019 was. Numb to everything now
As much as I would like to say it was just one match, the fact that he hasn't even come to the presser yet scares me.
Yep I am refreshing twitter for updates but still nothing. He usually gets done with pressers right after a match so this is pretty worrying
Wait Draper has only played tiebreaks in this tournament so far? Haha
Let’s go giron!!
Bublik absolutely gave up there but nothing away from Draper, he played well
Positive spin for the Brits: you have a guaranteed semifinalist!
Negative spin: only one of Draper and Norrie come through. 😬
Draper earning that Wimbledon wildcard
i always wanna hear what bublik says at the net :-(
"Up for a pint or 2 after your shower mate?"
Fucking hell bublik
Bublick did a Bublick thing. Haizzzz...
Draper's got a wonderful game for grass
Federer, Karatsev, Bianca, Svitolina, Bublik... Have a good day people.
Grass is wild.
Sabalenka lost 1st set
There's a bit of an Andy Roddick style to the way Draper plays. This guy seems like he could be another British top 100 mainstay in a few years time if he refines his net play and all-court game
He's gotta work on his fitness as the main thing, he's had quite an amount of retirements from fatigue already
He collapsed in Miami right?
Yeah he collapsed after the first set, granted it was very hot that day, but he's had similar issues in itf matches too
7-0 tiebreak wtf?
Pretty sure Bublik does his own haircut
I love how this entire sub turns into Johnny Drama from Entourage when Aslan's calves make an appearance
Bublik is such a mug
Bublik gives no fucks. What was that serving
I hope Jack Draper can use this tournament and maybe propel himself up the rankings a bit. Would love to have a young Brit to root for (No offense to GOAT Norrie)
Been keeping an eye on him since he came runner up at Wimbledon Juniors. Would be nice to see him finally take off.
That challenge was nuts
Bublik got his outfit from lost property for PE
Damn, one of the closest challenges I've ever seen
Very good first set from Struffi.
He’s playing quite well at the net.
Bublik saying he wasnt ready on a second serve. Abit naughty....
Draper with the Djokosmash
Keys forehand slice approach?! who knew?
Bublik is so funny, he knew he was losing the game so he served like an absolute moron going to the net on every point and hitting drop shots, confused the hell out of the guy who made a bunch of dumb mistakes, and then broke him in the next game.
Bublik’s shirt can’t decide if it’s a v neck or u neck. On the plus side he got rid of the neck beard.
No model, no fit, no style. Just vibes.
nice to see Bublik do well this year, I think he can pull this match out
Bublik ain’t dead yet.
And he pulls this shit off to break.
Never change sasha
Well he is English...
Damn it’s Struff serve is just too good
Halle now playing Simple Plan. My 14 year old heart is happy.
Lmaooooo I noticed that too
Federer lost. Karatsev lost. Bublik is about to lose. Murray is going to get crushed tomorrow and Zverev is going to win Halle. Can this week just fucking end already
Could always switch to following challengers
What a bad day, Karatsev, Bublik and Federer gone
Bublik always hits a failed underarm serve and then goes and sits down and laughs to himself 😂😂
Had Draper to beat Bublik too!