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r/Tennis Discussion (Saturday, June 19, 2021)

r/Tennis Discussion (Saturday, June 19, 2021)

WinterSunshine22

3 Russians have reached the finals of their respective tournaments: Kasatkina in Birmingham, Samsonova in Berlin and Rublev in Halle


ota00ota

Berrettini to win Wimbledon


amy_sport

After trailing by a set and 0-5 down against top seeds Hsieh/Mertens, and saving 5 match points, Ons Jabeur and Ellen Perez fight back to win the match 3-6, 7-5, [10-3]. Jabeur is through to the finals in singles and doubles in Birmingham.


thelastattemptsname

I saw the score at 5-0 in the second set and figured i have seen enough of Ons for today. Surprised that Hsieh-mertens lost from such a strong position against a rather inexperienced doubles pair. Good for Ons but hopefully she hasn't pushed herself too much this week to hurt her run Wimbledon.


Big_booty_ho

Oh no. That’s back to back tournaments they’ve had a monumental choke


razorsharp3000

Poor Hsieh/Mertens becoming quite the choking team


TheToyHero

I had to turn it off. After the Swiatek/Mattek-Sands match and now it happens again. It’s difficult watching Hsieh/Mertens completely dissolve during match points. I was hoping they would be a dream team but the inability to close out these matches is hard to watch


[deleted]

How do y’all think FAA and Humbert compare on grass with top 10 nextgen players like Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev?


Ashru987

My issue with FAA specifically (don’t know much about Humbert) is that he always look good until he doesn’t. I’ve never thought there was much between him in terms of purely skill level when it comes to comparing him to the other more high profile next gen members. But FAA can simply break down and choke in the big moments especially at grand slams whereas the other next gen specifically the three you mentioned just know how to turn it on at the majors.


0-40

You are comparing players who are 2, 4 and 4,5 years older than him. I will make a bold prediction. I believe Felix is maturing. He does not seem to get as rattled when he misses or the opponent plays untouchable or lucky shots. I also get the feeling that he means business more than before. He is also more consistent.(Two weeks count, right?) I believe that this summer or early fall will be his breakthrough season.


Ashru987

Trust me I am probably one of Felix’s biggest supporters on this sub but this consistency that you speak of hasn’t been shown at all this season. I do think he can do big things on grass but all I’m saying is I’ll believe he can beat the top guys when I see it.


smalliebigs69

I think heading into Wimbledon the playing field is pretty level for the NextGen players since they don't have a lot of experience on grass. FAA and Ugo are definitely impressive though.


cooldude1991

I want grand slams to happen every alternate week.


lostinmoss

Please God no this subreddit gets so annoying during slams


Mister_Lizard

I kind of wish we just set the sub to private during slams. If you aren't here during 250s and 500s, GTFO.


jeffwingersballs

That's great if you don't care about growing the interest in this sport. I'm willing to assume that the vast majority of fans got into following this sport because of the slams.


Ashru987

The semi final and final match threads were so toxic I had to leave.


HardTacoKit

Yeah, these threads are at their best during weeks where there are only 250 and 500 tournaments. When only the “real” tennis fans are commenting.


0-40

It looks like FAA-Hurkacz will have their chance at a second title. I am very happy with what I see at the net by FAA. Quick and precise.


aweap

Much like Cam Norrie, Dasha's having a moment this year as well...onto her 3rd WTA final of the year (and she already won the other two)! Interesting fact about Dasha, this is only her 2nd WTA 250 final. Of her previous 7 WTA finals, 6 have been WTA 500 or premier events!


vartholomew-jo

Idk if all these guys have yet earn the right to be called the "strong" favorite on a grass tournament So my criteria are mostly based on their current form. From what I have watched, Berrettini and Humbert playing slightly better tennis than anyone else.


Ashru987

I don’t know why everyone is so desperate to deem someone a favourite or say their better than this person, especially when talking about the next gen on grass. Wimbeldon doesn’t really play like any of the other grass tournaments, on top of that they might look good now because their current competition but all it takes is one run in with a big server or a grass court veteran and they could be out early. This grass season is the most up in the air yet and if your name is not Djokovic I’m certainly not going to have high expectations.


0-40

FAA is receiving medical help on his serving hand. Not so good to serve this much with that force.


TeraVonen

Ons Jabeur having to play her third match of the day because of scheduling problems, really unlucky for her doubles partner


thelastattemptsname

Dasha and Ons in a final.. i don't care who wins as long as both play a relatively error free game


smalliebigs69

they played a great final in Moscow a few years back


Dafuqyoutalkingabout

Azarenka/Sabalenka doubles team lol loudest team I’ve ever heard in any sport


neyiat

Yesss Dasha


Mister_Lizard

Seems like Shapo needs to work on not falling over.


YIV33

He is just not that hungry and motivated. When he is playing against someone who is ready to fight for every point like Norrie did it's difficult for him not to lose focus and motivation.


0-40

Doubles match with FAA and Hurkacz has started. They took the first game.


queenofhades

Dasha takes the first set!


ChertanianArmy

Samsonova is a female version of Karatsev. Very high peak and powerful shots but you wouldn't want to watch her on a bad day in the office.


1ceberglettuce13

I’d never seen her play before, but damn she could definitely be the WTA’s future resident serve bot if she improves her ground strokes a bit. Consistent 166 kmh second serves is just astonishing


GhostofTeholnbugg

Cam Norrie is gonna be seeded at Wimbledon! https://twitter.com/nicklester/status/1406274607951265793


jeffwingersballs

Someone in the replies said, "good call" like it was a human decision. Is there something I'm missing? I thought the highest ranked players get seeded.


GhostofTeholnbugg

No, you're right.


Ok_Broccoli_4783

Congrats to Cam, is impressive how much hes improved his game this year


chrysoberyyll

NOOO Simona is out of Homburg :(


chrysoberyyll

flair updated to match my feelings for the last month


GhostofTeholnbugg

Vandeweghe absolutely pummeling the ball out there.


Puzzleheaded_Ad9691

gosh i missed her


GhostofTeholnbugg

Me too! I also like Kasatkina quite a bit, but Coco's so so far from her peak ranking I'm rooting for her.


Pisces_Mermaid

Samsonova now ranked #77 in the world (could go as high #63 if she wins Berlin) will have to play Wimbledon qualifying on monday unless given a last minute wildcard. Bolsova now ranked #151 in the world just got a direct entry into Wimbledon because somehow the entry list for that was made before Roland Garros 2019 points dropped off Does something seem off there for anyone?


ChertanianArmy

> Samsonova now ranked #77 in the world (could go as high #63 if she wins Berlin) will have to play Wimbledon qualifying on monday unless given a last minute wildcard. > > She should be given a WC like Alcaraz just by virtue of being in top100. I'd say she has more of a case for obtaining it because we don't know how good Alcaraz is on grass.


GhostofTeholnbugg

Do they have any wildcards left to give?


ChertanianArmy

one wildcard left


GhostofTeholnbugg

Thx


aweap

Does Wimbledon not favour British players over other nationalities like Australians and French?


chakokat

Not only do they favor them with WC which is understandable but they also favor them with double bounce balls/dropping the racket and touching the net. ;-D Kidding, not kidding.


Chosen1gup

They have given one singles WC to a non-Brit this year. The rest (6 women 4 men) went to Brits.


aweap

Oh! They gave wildcards to Baghdatis, Koepfer, Lopez and Niculescu from outside of UK in 2019 which sounds a bit better than what French and Australians usually do.


Pisces_Mermaid

Not as much as before and certainly more willing to distribute wildcards outside of local players than the other slams. They give occasional wildcards to non big 4 countries and to people who do well at the UK events. Alcaraz got one (despite no previous records on grass) and whoever wins the Nottingham 100k ITF event will probably get the last one for the women. However there should be a case for Samsonova that a WTA 500 final > itf final…but because one event is held in the UK and the other isn’t that might tip the scale


ChertanianArmy

> However there should be a case for Samsonova that a WTA 500 final > itf final…but because one event is held in the UK and the other isn’t that might tip the scale Yeah. They spared one WC on "next direct acceptance", wonder if they can avert that.


ChertanianArmy

They do but also they tend to give WCs to players who have exceptional results during the grass season (i.e. winning a grass challenger).


aweap

Wow! 3rd ATP final for Norrie this year. Only a matter of time before he wins his first...🤞


GhostofTeholnbugg

He's just outside the top 10 in the race. Real breakthrough season for him.


Soledad91

Hey do you guys know why FAA and Humbert’s match is not on TennisTV?


Ashru987

It is. The match is over so you’d have to go the replays.


Soledad91

I can’t find it in replays and when I go on Schedule of Play it says Finished, not shown.. Nvm i just had to be more patient 😅


Ashru987

If you go to replays than press today’s date it comes up. I just tried it. Hopefully that works.


op1130

Norrie will be seeded in Wimby then. Good for him


Sophony

What's this I'm hearing about Vandeweghe and microwaves?


chrysoberyyll

TC commentators were saying she microwaved something that she wasn’t supposed to and burned her hand


thelastattemptsname

Still not as stupid as Rublev hurting his wrist while slamming a door in anger


ParfaitPleasant

Eastbourne wta is packed. Sabalenka, Svitolina, Bianca, AnPavs, Jabeur, Swiatek, Gauff, Badosa, Rybakina...


s0ngsforthedeaf

There are some good players in the qualifiers, never mind the main draw.


Ashru987

The draw is insane.


1ceberglettuce13

Berlin was also stacked but somehow we had a Cornet SF and a Samsonova Final😂


Pisces_Mermaid

Great win for Norrie and overall a great year for him. The only thing that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth was Shapo being forced to play a matcg over two days as 2nd seed. Just because he’s not british... I doubt it played that much into this result, but if it did, it sucks.


Rather_Dashing

>Shapo being forced to play a matcg over two days as 2nd seed. That had zero to do with Shapo not being British, that was the fault of the rain + de Minaur/Cilic going to three sets.


daumler

I mean the torrential rain messed up the schedule to be fair to Queen's Club. Agree it's not ideal but I think you have to give organisers benefit of the doubt when the rain is falling hard. Both players look good for Wimbledon though. How far do you Shapo going there?


chakokat

Of course it’s deliberate. When will you Canucks get tired of being second class citizens of a long gone empire? Asking as a friend.


Schlok453

Well next time maybe he should try being British then


chakokat

It hasn’t helped Johanna Konta..... edit: Or Kyle Edmund


Pisces_Mermaid

That’s big brain


Dafuqyoutalkingabout

That’s what Norrie has done lol


Schlok453

Cam is a pretty handsome fella lbh


neyiat

Not my cup of tea🤭


ChertanianArmy

Norrie for the title!


TheToyHero

Norrie has been throwing out marbles the whole tournament. First Karatsev taking the tumbles and now Shapo. He’s dangerous.. literally haha


ParfaitPleasant

Bweh back to his 500 form I guess..


1ceberglettuce13

Disappointed he doesn’t have a clay court 500 this season


ChertanianArmy

Shapo fell at all the important moments like Aslan.


smalliebigs69

Cam Norrie is like the Krejcikova of the ATP for me. I know he's playing well and winning matches but I just haven't happened to watch, like, any of his matches to know what he's doing well. I guess this means he's winning Wimbledon.


Dafuqyoutalkingabout

If he wins here he will be overhyped by the BBC and lose first round


tnwthrow

Slipovalov


wordly_harkin

nory goat


kungfuhrer666

damn both Canadians out back to back. To be fair to both, Norrie and Humbert played incredible matches.


aweap

Overall I'd still say Aliassime had so many chances to take this match from Humbert who wasn't even that good in the first set but still won it, though he was sublime in that tiebreaker in the third...


TheToyHero

Let’s goooooo, Norrie!


Leotabbycat

Norrie!


Ashru987

Norrie has been the better player, he really does deserve the win.


IcyOrdinary1

Yes, this is a very bad/disappointing loss for shapo though. He keeps finding new roadblocks to to the top 10.


Schlok453

The Shapo "poetry in motion", laser-guided missile backhand vs The Norrie shovel


ruskuval

Man that norrie backhand is pretty sick though. Fun watching people step up to crush it only to realize the ball has skidded only to about shin level and they have to slice or block it back.


Schlok453

Yeah it's been great watching him zip opponents with it this season


Sophony

How come the grass at Queens is so much better than in Halle


Mister_Lizard

The Halle court is constructed from panels of grass brought in on trucks, its probably dying before the tournament starts. Queens actually, you know, grows the grass on the court.


Ashru987

Brita know how to actually take care of their grass.


Sophony

it genuinely looks like a desert out there


neyiat

Samsonova might win Wimbledon??? But I don't wanna see that. There are already too many Russians.


1ceberglettuce13

Her monster serve might take her deep tho if she gets a favorable draw


ChertanianArmy

Wimby historically is the worst slam for Russians. No Russian except Sharapova even made a final there.


Ashru987

There can never be too many Russians.


melmac77

What’s Shappo on about


hopez11

Vika lost what??? I was watching FAA


ParfaitPleasant

Samsonova's ground strokes are no joke. Final with Bencic shud be good tomorrow


johnreese421

why does my heart keep getting crushed by the 3 Canadians..but fucking still supports them whole heartedly. * BiBi * FAA * Shapo


IcyOrdinary1

Bibi won a grand slam so I don’t think its fair to include her in this group. FAA and shapo always find ways to disappoint though. Its also a canadian sports thing too cuz the jays are the same.


Ashru987

Us Canadians must be masochists, there’s no other explanation.


Bubbly-Ordinary-1097

Because that’s what Canadians do People were laughing at the Habs


Salmabutnotsalma

So Halle final short curly hair vs long straight hair who wins?


Ashru987

I would consider Rublev’s hair wavy not straight.


Salmabutnotsalma

It's wavy when it's humid but straight otherwise, but yeah it's more wavy


0-40

FAA won 7 more points in the match. How disappointing for him! Do you guys know know how much rest time a player should be awarded before playing a double?


neyiat

Yasss Ugo Sweet sweet revenge


mkl122788

Personally, I didn’t have Samsonova destroying Vika like that, but grass does weird things.


Salmabutnotsalma

Ugo and 3rd set tbs, the iconic duo we didn't know we needed


GhostofTeholnbugg

OMG this roll of FAA is almost cruel


Schlok453

Ugo what is your strategy for this match? Humbert: just paint lines in the 3rd set tiebreak I guess


edroyque

Excellent hold from shapo.


hopez11

Many missed bp chances in the 3rd. Didn't play that bad in the tiebreak, Ugo was painting lines all over the place


jeffwingersballs

he blew a bunch of BPs against Federer in the first set.


smalliebigs69

Querrey, Zverev, Korda, FAA. Damn, Ugo.


Salmabutnotsalma

Legend says that everytime Ugo beats a next gen player he acquires their abilities


FlyReasonable6560

Double-faulterev?


Salmabutnotsalma

Noooooo he only took the first serve


jeffwingersballs

are you saying he's going to beat himself in the final?


smalliebigs69

well he gets the 500 king so this might be as good as it gets


kungfuhrer666

That has to be one of the worst challenges I've ever seen from Norrie lmao


askjee

Great stuff from Ugo. Felix has made one final and one close semi final on grass. Nothing to be ashamed off at all. Ugo doing great on grass once again.


Pisces_Mermaid

Same amount of winners. Unforced errors? 26 for Felix, 25 for Humbert Unforced errors in the tb? 1 from FAA That’s all it came down to.


chakokat

Felix now has to go to play doubles without rest?


Slambodog

They always will get "suitable rest"


chakokat

The match is scheduled to start in 15 minutes. Knowing that FAA was still in Doubles why wasn’t his Singles match first?? Makes no sense.


Slambodog

The ATP sheet I'm sure says after suitable rest


Sophony

Jesus, Ugo was unplayable on some of those points


wordly_harkin

can't lose a final if you don't make the final


Salmabutnotsalma

It's big brain time


ChetManly33

Big brain moves


DeliciousLiving

Ugh... All those BPs in the third


bringthenoise84

Ugo ice cold in that tiebreak.


ImTheImpostor69

Felix NOOOOOO


queenofhades

Yesss Ugo!!


melmac77

Yay good match I hope Ugo can go all the way


Leotabbycat

He's up against the 500 King... but I hope he wins too!


FlyReasonable6560

Would be massive for his confidence if he could win, he could finally continue his 2020 year-end form


Schlok453

What an amazing/bizarre match


lostinmoss

HUMBERT!!! closer than it needed, but great clutchness


Leotabbycat

Congrats Ugo!!!


nab432

FAA has shit the bed what else is new


Pistefka

Only in the semi-final though. His speciality is making it to the final then losing.


sertyawert

Humbert just painting lines faa can't really do much about that


Omegatron64

The LTA’s subtle favoritism for Norrie by making Shapo play double duty is paying off I see. Jokes aside, good on Norrie but really want that Shapo-Berrettini grass matchup.


askjee

Both these guys can hopefully have deep runs at Wimby this year


kungfuhrer666

Humbert playing unreal tennis right now


Schlok453

The cameraman just loves the girl in yellow


Bubbly-Ordinary-1097

Her cleavage


Leotabbycat

Are they both serving great, or are they just both not great returners?


Pisces_Mermaid

This is the same humbert that’s choked countless matches away this year? That can’t be right Clutch. So good


0-40

The momentum is with Humbert.


zombiezebra1990

Humbert got destroyed in the last couple of TBs he played against FAA.


ChertanianArmy

You can't destroy an opponent in TB unless it's 7-6(0)


lostinmoss

One of them was 10-8 what


zombiezebra1990

Humbert choked hard while serving for the second set.


lostinmoss

Thats still not "destroyed"


GhostofTeholnbugg

It's kinda crazy that Humbert and FAA have played three matches and they've all been on grass.


Viks101

Samsonova is absolutely destroying Vika.


Salmabutnotsalma

A 3rd set tb is all I need right now let's go boys


Pisces_Mermaid

5 uncoverted bps this set alone, he really should have won this match, not so sure anymore.


wordly_harkin

always loved the reverb in this halle stadium court


Leotabbycat

Very good service game from Ugo!


lostinmoss

Humbert just setting this up so he can clutch it in the third set tb again


Peach_Cobblers

Oh man Humbert has some really sorry looking facial hair


GhostofTeholnbugg

People talk about how De Minaur doesn't look his height, but Humbert seriously doesn't look 6'2" to me.


Ashru987

Really? He looks very long and lanky to me. FAA is 6’4 and Humbert doesn’t look that much shorter.


queenofhades

Ons is through to the final!


[deleted]

Damn I was sure Ugo would close it out. Felix still alive!


hopez11

He holds lolll


luvbao321

Huge props to Norrie for his season. Talk about giving it everything


Bubbly-Ordinary-1097

🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 Felix


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camelcase6717

Try Shapo and Fed for max shanks


hopez11

He played fed 3 days ago


Schlok453

Yes grass in general is like that but especially at Halle (and perhaps some other tournaments). They grow the grass outside the court and put it together in squares, which can mean dodgy bounces if the ball hits a seam (Federer explained this in press). It adds an element of risk that isn't as present on other surfaces, plus it's much faster.


Ashru987

Grass is very quick so it’s easy to mistime balls because your being rushed.


camelcase6717

Humbert is a real fighter and he’s crafty too. I especially admire his Paris match against Tsistipas where he was physically dead but still managed to win. There are shades of that in this match too


queenofhades

That match made me a fan of Ugo


s0ngsforthedeaf

The Samsonova hype train just pulled into the station - and we never saw it coming.


GhostofTeholnbugg

Why does Ugo have a mustache on his chin


Ashru987

It’s called a goatee.


GhostofTeholnbugg

It's got a part in the middle


luvbao321

If Shapo was an animal he would be a Labrador puppy. Super excitable, not much attention span, fun and loud at times but likely to shit or piss himself.


Leotabbycat

Ugo is aggressive. I like that.